The universal war

[Geurin]

But for real we need more people in the Government Special Forces, otherwise it will be a very short lived organization.

[Blaze]

So GSF is evil then? or is it secretly evil, masking itself as good? Either way, it seems people are joining factions on a "good or evil" assumption, as many see SSE and KGSF as good and WTO and GSF as evil.

But like it was stated before, there is no real good or evil side, and anything can change over time. Boli may go crazy and want to take everyone out while Suki ends up wanting to save the Universe. Maye Geurin splits and his good side takes over GSF. Anything could happen!

Join the GSF today, Geurin has cookies!

[Nam Reikonaga]

Yeah, GSF needs more members, otherwise this wont last long. Everyone please remember to act by the information your character has ICly. You might know something OOC but your character is still submitted to being tricked or used by being ICly misinformed.

I think one of the main reasons why GSF has less members is because he pretty much declared war on alien races and I'm pretty sure Zach is the only active pure human here (sorry if mistaken). Earth is a popular planet and everyone wants to be able to go there, so I think you're gonna have to pull some strings, Geurin. xD

[Deleted]

Dynammo knows the story VIA timeskip.

He's not happy.

But if the earth gets attacked by outsiders. Expect a temporary alliance with KGSF and GSF to repel the invaders.

After that, we're enemies again.

And joining KGSF i find, is for people who want to really develop their rp skills and not get pampered by leaders who are practically bribing the new soilders just to win loyalty.

Boliko, i respect you. You shouldn't have to bribe...NO LEADER should have to have to put up perks for members to join. Back when i was Dao, there was only Kami with the HBTC. Boliko with a ship, and the makaioshin pirate leader with a ship along with Suki. And not once did they say. "Join us and you can use our facilities," to not only get but keep the members. People were loyal and true.

KGSF is a clan for people beginning wanting to become legendary. Money is easy to gain through hard work. It shouldn't have to be used as a incentive to get clan members.

Sorry that's how i feel.

And Rensou, you were one of the first that was loyal to Boliko and you don't like whats going on either so i'm just saying i understand and your a reason i'm speaking out.

Sorry Leaders if i'm out of place but you know i'm right. Bribing for Loyalty towards your Legion is wrong.

[Blaze]

I don't think they are "Bribing" anyone at all. the SSE, GSF and WTO just have the facilities for training and the means to make people some Zeni, I think its a great way to power up, meet people and make some cash along with making an interesting saga. And they all have the same perks pretty much.

If you wish to join the KGSF, thats great. It's a good group to join. But that dosn't mean that the other groups need to be put down because they offer extra stuff. Those leaders RPed for a long time to build up those resources, its great to use them to benefit other players.

Thats where I stand on that topic anyway. Not trying to diss you Dynammo, I'm just speaking my mind like you did.

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Oct 17, 2012 15:49:20 GMT -5 @dynammo said:

Dynammo knows the story VIA timeskip.

He's not happy.

But if the earth gets attacked by outsiders. Expect a temporary alliance with KGSF and GSF to repel the invaders.

After that, we're enemies again.

And joining KGSF i find, is for people who want to really develop their rp skills and not get pampered by leaders who are practically bribing the new soilders just to win loyalty.

Boliko, i respect you. You shouldn't have to bribe...NO LEADER should have to have to put up perks for members to join. Back when i was Dao, there was only Kami with the HBTC. Boliko with a ship, and the makaioshin pirate leader with a ship along with Suki. And not once did they say. "Join us and you can use our facilities," to not only get but keep the members. People were loyal and true.

KGSF is a clan for people beginning wanting to become legendary. Money is easy to gain through hard work. It shouldn't have to be used as a incentive to get clan members.

Sorry that's how i feel.

And Rensou, you were one of the first that was loyal to Boliko and you don't like whats going on either so i'm just saying i understand and your a reason i'm speaking out.

Sorry Leaders if i'm out of place but you know i'm right. Bribing for Loyalty towards your Legion is wrong.

You're absolutely right, giving people "incentives" is terrible, even though it happens constantly in real life. But hey I think it's a terrible to "bribe" our soldiers with promises of education or help building new businesses after they serve.

Obviously the above was sarcasm, but my point is IN CHARACTER the "clans" try and recruit, so why not out of character. There is nothing wrong with weighing out your options. I chose mine based on what my character would want, but we ARE our characters so they want what we want in the end if we so choose.

Who are you to judge people and their reasoning? Dynammo is a gung ho patriot, good for you, but that doesn't give you a right to belittle anyone else.

[Deleted]

Its just there's a question that everyone needs to ask themselves here:

Am i joining an alliance because we share the same ideals and principles or am i just joining to get power and zenni?

That's what i mean, i'm not putting anyone down. I'm not saying the leaders can't lead. Boliko, Geurin and Suki have experience. Nam is new at this but he seems to have the right idea. "Hard Work over Hand Outs and Benifits"

When you look at KGSF, you see a band of Die Hard Patriots standing together to protect the earth and defeat Geurin and his team the GSF. No benifits, no perks, no payouts, you have to put in the work and train yourselves as well as each other.

He may be poor, but Nam has the potencial to be a great leader. He wants loyal members who fight for a cause, not just to please the head lord so they can keep their perks.

Don't Diss me, don't diss Nam and don't Diss KGSF. We're more about honor, valor, courage and being proud of our earth heritage.

[Deleted]

Ignoring how you seem to be talking more as Dynammo and less as a person who is sitting at a computer...

My character Azrael is evil and lusts for power, and will do anything to get it. So is it wrong then for him to join the WTO? It comes down to your character. My character is selfish and joins for selfish reasons, there is nothing wrong with that because that's who HE is.

[Deleted]

Dynammo you reasoning is actually kind of flawed. People not only join because of patriotism but, in real life, they join to gain power, to gain money, for more complex reasons then just good or evil.

Also, I second Sohko's opinion of you talking more in character than out but I could care less unless you get obnoxious. This is a game, people can join what faction they want. And who knows they may be joining one particular reason other than what that faction stands for.

Overall don't read into it too much, it is a game.

[xeondarkness95]

Dynammo, Draxor is your Brother as an Infected you should join him. but being a Merc i can see, you do it more for money right?

[Blaze]

Oct 17, 2012 17:45:21 GMT -5 @dynammo said:

Its just there's a question that everyone needs to ask themselves here:

Am i joining an alliance because we share the same ideals and principles or am i just joining to get power and zenni?

I definitely feel you, Dynammo. I agree your character should join a faction biased on their beliefs. But that doesn't mean thats what everyones going to do. Maybe their character only believes in power? Its their choice, their business. If people ask themselves that question, the answer doesn't matter as long as it makes the person happy.

And what if KGSF suddenly offered benefits to match the others? It wouldn't matter, it'll be hard work regardless what side you pick or if you choose to remain neutral. I'm happy for all of you who chose the KGSF, you all made a good choice. But that doesn't make everyone else wrong for choosing another faction.

Sorry, but I just don't think its right to say the other factions are using "Bribes". That's not what they are. I'd like to request Nam and Geurin's input on this matter.

((Btw, I'd like to point this out as a civil debate, not an argument.))

[Deleted]

To show I share a middle ground with Dynammo on the whole patriot thing, Sohko is returning to Vegeta after the time skip to help defend his home planet.

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And to show my point, I am not really joining because of SSE's goals or Boliko's actions in the past. He is there to protect both of his friends Sohko and Drexx.

Also to clarify, I mean no offense to anyone.

[Geurin]

In the real world Dynammo, people are paid to do work.

I am offering honest pay, for honest work just as all the other leaders are. Just because yours is a volunteer organization doesnt make your character any more valiant.

Frankly you are the most wishy washy character I have ever seen on the site, from an infected, to a fighter of what is pure and good...

Point being, still need members, sign up.

[Deleted]

I had moral issues, i admit it. I had moments of weakness, thinking i needed the power and zenni provided by the other clans.

Then one day i realized something...the fruits of hard labour bear solid benifits that beat out perks. Not saying that power and zenni aren't nice incentives, they are for those that are not as commited to a cause and just wanna coast in clans.

I'm just saying leaders, in a few months, you'll see the problem with inactive members that only log on one or twice a week to rp and reap the benifits. -not saying that people don't have lifes- You'll also see the fire of role playing passion fading from your members after awhile.

That won't happen with the way Nam has KGSF, it's a solid, pure storyline and character development group.

People deserve to be paid for hard work, i'm not putting that down. But that shouldn't have to be used for recruiting purposes, it should be something that is told to them After They are seen as worthy of joining as well as trust worthy, then you tell them about the perks and benifits.

My payout from KGSF is storyline development, strategic development, character building, and teamwork.

This should be the MAIN payout for every clan, not gravitrons and zenni. It just shows what type of clannie the leaders are attracting.

I'm not saying you can have your fame and glory but here's something....

Someone in SSE gets his wages and wants more, Boliko says that's all your getting. Character feels bitter, then the enemy comes along and offers said character a bribe for his loyalty. Said character takes it and betrays SSE. I've seen it happen numerous times

It's just, when you offer money and power, sometimes the people you offer it to want more and with opposing clans, betrayal of loyalties is always immanant.

I'm not saying this for my own good, i'm just warning the leaders, basically saying that alliances that recruit with promises of power and money are at risk at inner mutany and treason.